
Interview with Pantera's founder: Bitcoin is speeding away from traditional assets, and the bottom will have to wait 6-8 months
Author: The Master Investor Podcast with Wilfred Frost Compiled by: Vernacular Blockchain Original Title: Conversation with Pantera Founder: BTC has reached the speed of escape, and traditional assets are being left behind. In this interview, Wilfred Frost had a second in-depth conversation with Pantera Capital founder Dan Morehead. They discussed Bitcoin's cyclical position after retreating 50% from its high point; how the devaluation of fiat currency created an intergenerational wealth conflict; and why this round of “smart money” was the last to enter the market. Highlights Summary Most institutional investors' positions on the blockchain are still 0.0%, literally zero. It wasn't gold that hit a new high; it was banknotes that were at a record low. This is probably the first last-entry deal for “smart money” in history. The average age of first-time home buyers in the US has been delayed from 28 to 40. We are facing an intergenerational inflection point where the currency is separated from the country. Stablecoins are likely to take half of bank deposits within ten years. Bitcoin has reached the speed of escape, and I can't find anything that could derail this process. If you don't have any blockchain exposure, you're already shorting this trend to some extent. 01. “It's still the most asymmetric transaction in history” Moderator: The last time you came, we thoroughly discussed the macro-logic of cryptocurrencies. The price of Bitcoin you bought for the first time was astonishingly low. How much was it? Dan Morehead: $65. Moderator: $65, compared to our price of around $66,000 today, are two worlds. In that episode, you described Bitcoin as “the most asymmetric transaction in history.” Do you still hold on to this point of view today? Dan Morehead: Yes, I'm still convinced of that. Throughout my career, I've been looking for asymmetric opportunities where the upside potential far outweighs the downside risk. Bitcoin, and the broader field of cryptography, is the most asymmetric transaction I've ever seen. Early on, I'll tell others: it's entirely possible that you'll lose all of your capital, so don't invest more than you can afford. But at the same time, you're likely to get 5x, 10x, or even 1000x returns. The reason I'm still optimistic is that we're still in the early stages. Most institutional investors' positions on blockchain and cryptocurrencies are still 0.0%. Literally zero. As long as the downside risk is insignificant compared to the world's huge financial assets, and the upside is to redefine the entire monetary system, this asymmetry will not disappear. 02. The four-year cycle proved the host again: Our last recording was on October 12, and the timing was very interesting at the time. The cryptocurrency reached a phased high around October 6, followed by a pullback. Since then, Bitcoin has dropped by roughly 50%. As someone who has gone through multiple cycles, how do you interpret this sharp drop? Dan Morehead: Anything that tries to change the world comes with lots of hype and fluctuation. Optimism abounds at highs, and pessimism at lows. Pantera has been deeply involved in the industry for 13 years and has gone through four full four-year cycles. These cycles are actually very regular and can even be predicted. When we met in October, it happened to be near the high we had predicted two or three years ago. Based on our model estimates for the first three cycles, we expect Bitcoin to reach a phased high around August 2025. Although we hoped at the time that we would see different results this time, such as the government's new policy breaking the cycle, in hindsight, the cycle rules have once again realized themselves. The market is back 50%. It sounds like a lot, but compared to the 85% decline in the previous cycle, this time it was actually much more moderate. The market may take about a year to bottom out, which is in line with the rules of the past. Moderator: You didn't appear to be bearish at the time. Do you think this cycle will end up falling 75% to 80% like before? Dan Morehead: That's a critical question. I really didn't anticipate a drop this much at the time because there were so many positive factors at the time. But the market has its own pace. I would like to point out that at the previous few highs, the price deviated far from the long-term logarithmic trend line, showing a crazy parabolic trend. For example, in 2013, prices increased tenfold in the first four months of the peak. And this time around, the price didn't show that extreme overheating; it just roughly returned to 2021 levels. So I...










